[Community] OpenID on http://iiw.idcommons.net/

[Joaquin Miller]

When I read that users of the Identity Commons wiki were not to be 
given the option of using a name and password I was quite 
stunned.  That seems the opposite of our philosophy of openness.  I 
held my tongue.

[Not only did I feel like holding my tongue.  Also: I was very 
unwilling to write anything that might be wrongly understood as not 
appreciative of Fen's extremely generous work.]

Now we see what we have bought.
We will loose folks, because they have troubles like those described 
in Dennis' message.

Let's loosen up a bit and not make interested persons do things our way.

Cordially, Joaquin

[ It's one thing for us to eat our own dog food.
   It is something entirely else and quite unpleasant to force others 
to eat dog food. ]



Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>Well, I have some more experiences to report.
>
>This is all on the iiw.idcommons.net.  I think I am all right on
>wiki.idcommons.net, because I first logged-on their with my i-name.
>
>1. I flushed my browser history after deleting my Facebook account (the
>Beacon problems having freaked me out and ended that social experiment for
>me).
>
>2. As expected, when I returned to iiw.idcommons.net, I found that I had to
>log in and the only way to log in was via an OpenId.  Unfortunately, I have
>been using my name-password cookie up until now.
>
>3. Everything is fine except when I am asked to choose a nickname for
>myself.  (The option of using my OpenId name is not available for some
>reason, probably the same reason it didn't work.)  When I chose "orcmid" as
>my nickname, the process failed.  There is no noticeable explanation, but I
>am unable to log in with that handle.  I *assume* it is because there is
>already an account with that name, and the system thinks I am not the one
>entitled to use it.
>
>I chose another one, temporarily, just to log in, but that was probably a
>mistake.  I don't want the other nickname (associated with =orcmid), I want
>the original one.
>
>4. How do we get me back to my existing alias?  Can we do it with the orcmid
>account still there somehow, so the User:Orcmid stuff does not have to be
>repopulated?
>
>I really, really hate unnecessary do-overs and it will keep me away.
>Especially since I just deleted 17 *months* of Microsoft Money records by
>mistake (it could have been worse) as part of moving to a new machine and I
>will now have to reconstruct what I can from receipts, bank and credit-card
>statements, and by faking in-balance conditions until I can reconcile with
>better data.  Oh, I will be so glad when my Windows Home Server machine
>arrives.
>
>In both cases I guess I brought the difficulties on myself (being too eager
>to use the new IIW Wiki and being careless about thinking I had moved the
>latest file instead of an old backup of it before I permanently deleted all
>copies on the old machine.)
>
>  - Dennis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen at idcommons.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 21:05
>To: dennis.hamilton at acm.org
>Cc: 'ID Commons---Community Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [Community] OpenID on http://iiw.idcommons.net/
>
>Hi Dennis -
>
>You wrote:
> > How will this impact those of us who have gone the user-name/password
>route
> > to already be editing material on the new Wiki?
> >
> > Put another way, how do we associate an OpenId (or i-name) with an
>existing
> > user-name/password and profile
>
>Good question, and I'm sorry that I don't have an answer.  Drupal 6 does
>this by separating accounts from authentication[1] - a good idea IMHO.
>But MediaWiki seems to conflate the two.
>
>My immediate answer is that you're out of luck :( but as the wiki is
>only a few days old, the damage should not be too great.
>
>Eugene mentioned that a new MediaWiki OpenID module is currently being
>tested that also supports CardSpace.  Perhaps this will properly
>separate accounts from authentication.  We can only hope.
>
>=Fen
>
>
>[1] http://simonwillison.net/2007/Jan/10/account/
>
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