[Community] Concrete Example on somebody who would have joined NewOrg if it were there.

[Brett McDowell]

Dan, don't you mean to say "IC as it stands today could not offer a  
liability shield"... because NewOrg could cover this.  Many umbrellas  
like NewOrg already do this for their members.

Concrete example: Liberty has this coverage for its Board members by  
virtue of being a "member" of IEEE-ISTO.  So this kind of insurance is  
cost effective and can scale down from the umbrella org to the  
participating project leadership teams (in our case it starts with  
IEEE-ISTO's Board and filters down to cover the Liberty Alliance  
Management Board as well... the same is true for all 12 IEEE-ISTO  
programs).

Nat, I accept your requirement as reasonable and necessary.  Thank you  
for providing it.

-- Brett


On Jul 3, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Daniel Perry wrote:

> Nat:
>
> I had to weigh in here. Perhaps I am missing something but what  
> unlimited liability do you, as a working group, face?
>
> Of course, IC was intended to be very light weight. There is no  
> conceivable way for IC to offer a liability shield - no insurance  
> company would cover it. But the working group(s) could from their  
> own not-for-profit, Limited Liability Company (LLC), or other  
> incorporated entities if that protection is necessary. Since it  
> appears that OpenID Japan is already formed as an entity then you  
> would be entitled to whatever protection your jurisdiction of  
> incorporation would provide.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Perry
>
> On Jul 2, 2008, at 5:08 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>
>> While I was forming OpenID Japan, we have encountered the some of  
>> the bootstrap problems.
>>
>> 1. Starting as an Informal organization was easy, but it has no  
>> umbrella of limited liability.
>>     Every member of such an organization is exposed to unlimited  
>> liability.
>>     This is clearly not desireble.
>> 2. The option we had was to be a member of a legal identity that  
>> could give us:
>>     (1) Independent Governance and Branding
>>     (2) Financial Autonomy, with a bank account that allows us to  
>> receive money
>>     (3) Limited Liability Umbrella.
>>     Additionally, if we had
>>     (4) Technical Infrastructure such as Wiki etc.
>>     (5) Administrative help
>>     it would have been even nicer. (Looks similar to Tier 3 WG in  
>> Bret's mail).
>> 3. As a regional entity in the OpenID world, we seeked this to  
>> OIDF, but
>>     it did not provide it. Thus, we had to incorporate in our own.
>>     This was a big bootstrap problem for us: we spent nearly 5  
>> months for
>>     incorporation (still underway) and together with it,  
>> considerable legal cost etc.
>>     i.e., we have wasted both time and money, and we continue to,  
>> because
>>     we have to do a lot of non-core things when we incorporate on  
>> our own.
>>
>> If IC could provide items in 2. above, then forming OpenID Japan as  
>> a WG of IC was
>> clearly a preferred option for us.
>>
>> (By the way, does IC provide these? )
>>
>> My 2c.
>>
>> -- 
>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/  
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