[Community] Preserving Identity Commons Purpose and Principles

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

As an interested bystander, I find the "NewOrg" rhetorical device very
unsettling.  This is particularly a concern since no real, concrete case of
someone finding themselves unable to work with Identity Commons as it is
constituted and under its purpose and policies has been put forth.  Also, I
don't know that anyone else is thinking in terms of a speculative "NewOrg."
This abstract speculation strikes me as unhealthy.

Please provide a real case or, if that is inappropriate, have someone with
the real case approach the executives of Identity Commons and find out what
is real here.

Finally, I see tacit assumption that there is a problem that availability of
resources would solve.  Rather than start with the solution, perhaps we
should figure out what the real problems are?
 
 - Dennis

PS: I note in terms of what NewOrg financial support "buys" is exactly what
it buys at OASIS and W3C and every other consortium (including in multiple
degrees Liberty Alliance) along with maybe too much exclusive/private
activity.  Why the urge to become another one of those?

Dennis E. Hamilton
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-----Original Message-----
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From: Brett McDowell
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 07:13
To: Drummond Reed
Cc: community at idcommons.net
Subject: Re: [Community] Preserving Identity Commons Purpose and Principles

[ ... ]
I can't tell if these comments are being made in the context of  
promoting public discussion (like what we are doing here now) or if  
this is really about NewOrg have a strong branding strategy for itself  
as part of its mission 

[ ... ]
I'm looking  
at creating a recognition between projects based on resource  
consumption.  If we ignore this distinction we are right back to where  
we started in terms of lacking the resources we need to meet the needs  
of the community.

[ ... ]
More specifically, I like what I see OIDF doing with their $ model...  
there's a notion of membership but the only thing "buying" a  
membership actually "buys" you is branding recognition and a vote on  
the ratification of final ouput (correct me if I'm wrong!).  Loosely  
translated, this is a hybrid innovation between traditional "pay-to- 
play" membership models and the "charitable donation" model that IC  
and DP have been looking at.  If you don't pay, you still play fully  
with one (arguably minimal) exception... the final ratification of  
output (but you do get to vote in the small groups who produce the  
output).  What do folks think of this model being adopted as a core  
best practice for NewOrg?

[ ... ]
I think a best practice is for NewOrg to liaise/network  
with pre-existing communities/org's who specialize in those areas vs.  
make (any) attempts to reinvent the wheel and pass of NewOrg as the  
subject-matter-experts in those social areas.  I think our special  
sauce will be in the harmonization/interoperability/rationalization of  
social issues, regulatory/legal issues, and technology issues as they  
are applied to digital identity.

[ ... ] They may require any number of other "a la  
carte" services from NewOrg as well (back to that list Paul built and  
some of the brainstorming we've done on this thread so far).

[ ... ]
It may be so advantageous to remain a T2 Project that  
some folks (Liberty for instance) would prefer to operate its multiple  
projects as T2 projects leaving the branding strategy and marketing  
investments to NewOrg vs. taking on the cost and complexity of  
managing all of that themselves.

[ ... ]
So, let's start looking at the list of requirements we have collected,  
[...] and shift our attention  
to how to pay for all of these services (with the going-in assumption  
that if you consume more form NewOrg, you somehow contribute more to  
NewOrg but in a manner that reduces your cost through leveraging  
shared investments and resources across the entire community).

Eventually (which might be sooner than later) we'll get to branding of  
NewOrg but let's save that to last.

[ ... ]

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