[Community] Preserving Identity Commons Purpose and Principles

[Kaliya *]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kaliya * <Kaliya at mac.com> wrote:

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>> >> PS: I note in terms of what NewOrg financial support "buys" is
>> >> exactly what
>> >> it buys at OASIS and W3C and every other consortium (including in
>> >> multiple
>> >> degrees Liberty Alliance) along with maybe too much exclusive/private
>> >> activity.  Why the urge to become another one of those?
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>> Do you see OASIS and W3C as the same kind of organization that OIDF
>> and ICF are?
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> OASIS and W3C are standards bodies. OIDF and ICF are promoting their
> standards, raising awareness.  They are adhoc standards for now.
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>> If yes, do you see OIDF and ICF as different from IC in
>> any important way that you want to ensure IC doesn't become?
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> YES!
> IC is about creating a space - it is about connecting and information
> sharing - catalyzing a space and letting who ever wants to contribute show
> up and do so - to join a community.  It has space for a range of
> organizational forms to join this community too - it is not proscribing
> them. IC is not about 'one technology' or 'one organizational form' - it
> does not have corporate board members who buy their way into being stewards.
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> OIDF and ICF both have hybred boards with community members and corporate
> board members and the corporate folks pay a fee to support the effort.  IC
> is designed NOT to become that. It is about people and group and foundations
> like OIDF and ICF coming together in a shared space - to work together.
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> There is no reason that IC could not provide services to OIDF and ICF even
> as they are independent entities.  No reason that a new emerging project
> that was reaching the maturity level that it formed an "org" to get stuff
> done that seeing OIDF and ICF and some other projects just getting services
> from IC that they in future don't bother with forming their own "ORG" but
> effectively have it based on how they govern themselves within the IC
> framework.  I could see this evolving.
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> These groups need to storm and norm through their own governance process
> there is not 'one way' to do it however there are good models and practices
> sure.
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>> >> I can't tell if these comments are being made in the context of
>> >> promoting public discussion (like what we are doing here now) or if
>> >> this is really about NewOrg have a strong branding strategy for
>> >> itself as part of its mission
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> Sure. We need to explain to folks how we work and be clear about how and
> why participation is good.
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>> >> I think a best practice is for NewOrg to liaise/network
>> >> with pre-existing communities/org's who specialize in those areas
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> Well with IC's structure there is no reason that pre-existing
> communities/orgs who specialize could not join IC.  In fact our structure
> explicitly enables that.  This is where the above - visibility /branding
> comes in.
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>>  I think our special
>> >> sauce will be in the harmonization/interoperability/rationalization
>> >> of social issues, regulatory/legal issues, and technology issues as
>> they
>> >> are applied to digital identity.
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> Hopefully via the existing methods and practices we do so well as a
> community already.
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>> >> [ ... ] They may require any number of other "a la
>> >> carte" services from NewOrg as well (back to that list Paul built and
>> >> some of the brainstorming we've done on this thread so far).
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> Sure - We already said that we saw some core services that more mature
> groups should/could be able to get from IC.  We need to figure out what they
> are and initial groups that need them and resources to begin with.  I don't
> think this is to hard.
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>> >> So, let's start looking at the list of requirements we have
>> >> collected,
>> >> [...] and shift our attention
>> >> to how to pay for all of these services (with the going-in assumption
>> >> that if you consume more form NewOrg, you somehow contribute more to
>> >> NewOrg but in a manner that reduces your cost through leveraging
>> >> shared investments and resources across the entire community).
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> sure.
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